Yesterday was 9th of may. A day when WW2 ended for Europe. well, for nazis and communists an western world the war in europe was over. Hitler Kaput. Third Reich capitulated,Europes cities, villlages, capitals burnt. destroyed.damaged. and lots of people dead. But to the day war is not over. emotions are still with people, painful memories, for germans, russians, estonians and anybody who was torn into this war. For russians it is a major victory day, atleast for veterans and relatives. Then it also a sad day, for estonians, a nation torn into war in two sides. ideologies dont make good impact. Both sides caused destruction, yet people dont understand how painful day it can be at least from their point of view. Red Arrmy veterans say and believe that they bringed freedom from nazism which is true, but truth is also
that they didnt won alone, and they also brought another terror regime to many homes. Yesterday
there was "nice" incident in Tallinn, where former Soviet Army veterans gathered near monument of
Bronze Soldier, a monument to fallen soviet soldiers in erected in soviet time, now which has been named to signify deaths of soldiers and deaths of both WW2 sides, but the monument is still quite red in meaning for estonians. This is an annual event or at least last 15-20, a day of remberance when soviet army veterans, mostly russians and russian speaking old men and women(plus more increasingly offspring generations) gather to statute, bring flowers(lots of them) and chat and drink on "good old days". This year two estonians, who held officialy regiterered picket(rally, meeting)
came with estonian flag and sign saying that same soldier also brought occupation and misery to estonian homes. what happened was that some veterans who had too mucj of drink were annoyed by that, its almost sacrilegious to them to say to them that they were the bad guys. somekind of fight ensued, and police had to ecsort those two men to safety, arresting also drunken veterans. But the russian and soviet flag stayed, heh how ironic. this monument is nothing but the source of controversy.
Yesterday i saw two movies on War, Soviets in afganistan( "9th Company") and one a doc on about Battle of Sinimäed(Bluehills) during WW2 in Estonia
more later. war is dirty thing
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Well this what i replied to H. I had more questions arised, i still wait answer, ido understand sorta the point what
reples where, but i just always have more questions
Wed, 10 May 2006 08:08:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:
Re: Important - For your information.
To: undisclosed
"Thanks for your input H, and also B,
for taking time and answering it, even if its personal
viewpoint only. I also got one thought that somebody
noted to me, that these kind of automated letteres
from websites can be annoying in abundance and that
those recieveing them will not bother to read them,
atleast not all of them. Maybe just first one IMHO(i
gave that
a credit)
After reading H's letter and also B's
I now start to fathom the point. Couple of more
questions, was that letter a ruling on the matter
then? As i understand OPI voices/passes on info to the
public(correct?), before that then issue needs to be
ruled by UHJ(relevant body) or as i understand from
H's letter that this was a recommendation? Just
asking for clarity of point, to understand
organizational behaviour and dynamics in this matter.
I used my freedom before, in bona fide(good faith)
that this kind of signing(though automatically and way
before getting that letter, beginning of April is OK,
well at least to me. Heh, did i think about annoyance
factor, heck no. Poor humanrightwatch orgs and their
mailboxes hehee( i can say i was not only one, a good
excuse LOL :P), if i come to think this is kinda spam
:) not mentioning points raised by H. But it felt
natural, one has right to take stand on issues that
bother you and world, though i do understand that once
in organization you have to behave in context. At that
moment it was what us not forbidden, is allowed, that
was rule to me. Though i know sometimes my freedoms
should end where somebody elses begin. Oh well, i have
one more excuse, NO Body Is Perfect ;) :P hehehehehe
one can "always" use that, err maybe not in murder and
other deadly crimes? (HU)Man is such a complex being
isnt it? "
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"Howdy Khaled and u guys, I've been giving this matter some thought and arrived at a conclusion. My guess is that since this public information in general and external affairs in particular may be quite a sensitive business, the OPC does not want any of the Friends (who might be identified as belonging to the Baha'i Community) to fool around by participating in lobbying schemes initiated by someone else, no matter how sincere the motive and praiseworthy the goal seems to be. We have people at the BWC and the BIC doing such work - let's not complicate their task. However, their opinions concerning the activities of individual Baha'is are just recommendations from their point of view - each Baha'i has complete liberty to do whatever he/she pleases until a relevant institution decides to make a ruling on the matter. E"
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